Sunday, June 8, 2025
This Is It! Cards for the 1979 NCAA Tournament for Statis- Pro Basketball 🏀
Tuesday, May 27, 2025
1955 World Series for Statis-Pro Baseball
1955 World Series for Statis-Pro Baseball ⚾️
Other Links to Statis-Pro Baseball content
All these years- I believe the 1955 World Series cards were published in the second volume of the third season of All-Star Replay, in 1979 or 1980- I knew the the pitchers for that set were wrong. The hits in the cards were just off. But I did not know why. I had thought the David C. LeSeuer pitcher’s card corrections from the 1980 season (published in 1981) had been misapplied. But the set predated the publishing of those corrections. It was a real puzzler.
(Original Set - From All-Star Replay, Volume 2 Issue Number 3):
I’ve been working a bit with the cards from the Great Pennant Races teams, figuring out how the old pitchers cards and the newer versions interrelate. So I’ve been looking more at the old pitcher’s creation charts as well as other basic elements of the game. And one night I woke up in the middle of the night with an idea. The strikeouts and walks on the old charts were designed to be pulled from one chart; but hits from another.
What if instead, at least for some teams in this set, they’d pulled the hits from the wrong chart? What if they pulled the split counts from the walks and strikeouts chart? It would make sense that there would be too many hits on the pitchers so affected, since the walks and strikeouts chart is constructed differently.
Sandy Amoros breaks Yogi Berra’s heart
Let’s look at a couple examples- 1955 Yankee pitcher Johnny Kucks. He allowed 122 hits in 126 2/3 innings (0.96 ratio). On the walks and strikeout chart this would be 16 splits, which results in an erroneous 11-28 pitcher’s singles range, which is what we see on his card. But had Avalon Hill used the proper chart it would be only 12 splits, for a pitcher’s singles range of 11-24. Brooklyn pitcher Johnny Podres has a ratio of 160/159.333 or 1.004. On the walks and strikeouts charts this is 19 splits for a pitcher’s singles range of 11-33. This is also what we see on his card, and once again the proper range from the hits chart for pitchers singles would be 11-24.
You can certainly double check my math, but the following pitchers would get the following pitcher’s singles ranges: (The other split counts for walks, strikeouts, wild pitches, etc. would remain the same as numeric counts but might have to be “moved”)
Example Pitcher’s singles, done right:
Don Newcombe 11-23
Carl Erskine 11-24
Johnny Podres 11-24
Billy Loes 11-23
Karl Spooner 11-22
Russ Meyer 11-26
Ed Roebuck 11-25
Don Bessent 11-21
Roger Craig 11-22
Clem Labine 11-21
Whitey Ford 11-18 (original range was 11-17, not sure why)
Bob Turley 11-21
Tommy Byrne 11-23 (same as on card)
…etc.
There are thus two ways to solve the pitcher’s card problem -recard the 1955 World Series pitchers using the proper results derived from the original card creation charts from the First or Second Edition of the rules;
Or -redo them fully as LeSeuer variant pitchers. In other words fully update them. This would produce the best fits. I’ve elected to fix these issues this way, and furthermore I’m adding Sandy Koufax (in his rookie year) for the Dodgers, and Eddie Lopat, who was a spot starter and Jim Konstanty to the Yankees as a reliever.
Konstanty is an interesting case, his overall stats are excellent, yet he was left off of the 1955 Yankee World Series roster and out of the Statis-Pro set. It almost makes no sense when you look at his 2.32 ERA and 73 innings pitched. He’s exactly what the 1955 Yankees need out of the ‘Pen. But if you look at his pitching logs you can see why- after a month of heavy usage in on July 31st he was pounded for 4 runs and 6 hits in a third of an inning, and from that point on he was completely ineffective and was used sparingly between that date and September 23rd. In that period, Konstanty allowed 24 hits, six walks and ten runs in only 11 2/3 innings. Opponents batted .344 against him. His season was a tale of two different pitchers- a very effective early closer who may have been overworked by Mid-Summer, followed by a stunning collapse in August and September, where he just couldn’t get anyone out. I include him so fans of the 1955 Yankees can have a complete team, but he should probably not be on New York’s World Series roster. Neither should Lopat, who was actually traded to Baltimore at the end of the year.
Koufax for the Dodgers would be an interesting “what-if”. While he is wild, he is also very effective. He would have given Brooklyn a very powerful right/left top line rotation with Newcombe. My guess is the Dodgers didn’t pick him for the Series because he was a rookie.
One last quirk is the original cards had a different way to calculate relief points than later cards. Part of the reason for this was managers also used their starters as closers in some games. I’ve kept those ratings as well as fielding bunting and batting card ratings. But if you wanted to use a more modern method, here are these results:
Brooklyn:
Newcombe: SR: 13 RR: 7
Erskine: SR: 15 RR: 9
Podres: SR: 15 RR: 9
Loes: SR: 14 RR: 8
Meyer: SR: 16 RR: 10
Roebuck: SR: 0 RR: 9
Labine: SR: 9 RR: 6
Spooner: SR: 11 RR: 7
Bessent: SR: 8 RR: 6
Craig: SR: 11 RR: 7
Koufax: SR: 10 RR: 4
New York:
Ford: SR: 12 RR: 7
Turley: SR: 15 RR: 8
Byrne: SR: 14 RR: 8
Larsen: SR: 12 RR: 8
Kucks: SR: 12 RR: 8
Grim: SR: 12 RR: 8
Morgan: SR: 8 RR: 7
Sturdivant: SR: 8 RR: 7
Coleman: SR: 15 SR: 9
Lopat: SR: 14 RR: 9
Konstanty: SR: 0 RR: 5
Anyway- here is the set of new pitching cards to use with the existing batters:
1955-WS-Pitchers.pdf (New Pitchers)
Notes:
- Tom Sturdivant is actually a right handed pitcher; he was mistakenly carded as a left hander in the original set.
- Mickey Mantle played with a leg injury, which significantly limited his effectiveness and ultimately contributed to the Yankees' loss to the Brooklyn Dodgers. After missing the first two games, Mantle was forced to move from center field to right field in Game 3 due to the injury, played very poorly in game 4, and he was unable to play the field for the rest of the series. He did pinch hit in Game 7, but was out on a pop-up. Mantle’s injury is commonly considered the main reason for the Yankee’s loss.
Saturday, April 19, 2025
More Statis-Pro Baseball Musings…
Other Links to Statis-Pro Baseball content
I love statis pro baseball, the old fashioned way. But in looking at the data and the old teams it was always a challenge with the great pennant races sets, 1978, and 1979. Before 1980 they did not use pitchers and batters data per the David C Lesuer method in all star replay. They used standard charts printed in the rules. This caused imo the 2-5 and 2-6 pitchers to be almost unplayable, especially a team like 1978 Chicago AL and Seattle where nearly every pitcher was in that category,
Ive gone back to try to play those old sets and I’ve had to make a few tweaks. You can of course take the standard batter’s cards and calculate projected BA / OBP and SLA, and what you find is those lower PBs are under carded as a class.
Greatest Teams, 1950 AL: there is no saving the pitchers cards. I created new ones by the new system and also individual pitcher batting. This is located here: (note that this set would be intended to play only within this season):
Greatest Teams, 1967 AL: recommend using Jim Kaat’s card but bumping him to a 2-7; you use the rest of the pitchers cards as is with the following proviso:
2-5 becomes 2-5, 11 (12 chances / 36)
2-6 becomes 2-6,12 (16 chances / 36)
2-7 becomes 2-6, 10,11 (20 chances /36)
2-8 becomes 2-7,11,12 (24 chances /36)
2-9 becomes 2-8. (26 chances)
This flattens the season and makes it more playable for the teams that are really PB challenged. A White Sox player, however, might enjoy a straight replay with only the Kaat fix, the Sox show up midway between 2-7 and 2-8 and thus are capable of a shutout every night. You like no hitters? Try it that way! The fit is slightly better by team the first way, however. I love the players in this set.
Greatest Teams 1964 NL: Still thinking on this one.
1978: 1978 has an interesting normalization Avalon Hill did between the AL and NL. Remember a season has two goals- replay each league, and a good World Series. In 1978, the two leagues are not quite as far apart as, say, the 1972 AL and 1972 NL, but they do have two distinct run scoring environments. The NL has pitchers batting and it’s league scores fewer runs even comparative to the AL’s run scoring in DH contexts.
(In the case of the 1972 AL it is the worst run scoring environment other than 1968 in over sixty years, and so without some degree of balancing this the NL winners would be much better teams than the 100 game winning World Series champion A’s. I balanced this by normalizing both leagues, adjusting hitters and pitchers.)
Well, Avalon Hill approached the 1978 season by putting both leagues pitchers in the same blender, and so the average AL pitcher is close to a 2-6.4 and the average NL pitcher is a 2-6.6 or better. The AL breakdown of 2-5s is around 20 pct; 2-6 is around 47 pct, and while 2-7s are found the number of 2-8s (6 pct) and 2-9s (3 pct) is vanishingly small. They did this so the good run scoring teams like Boston, Milwaukee and even to a degree New York wouldn’t just bury teams like the Dodgers or Philadelphia in the World Series, with or without the DH.
Well I love this season, especially the batters, and here is my recommendation. For a 1978 AL internal replay (78 Sox!) there are three pitchers who were right on the bubble I would push up to 2-7s: Dennis Martinez of Baltimore, Sparky Lyle of New York, and Bill Lee of Boston. These guys were right on the edge anyway. It’s reasonably playable stock with a .718 ops projected vs .706 actual. That’s a deviation of plus 1.7 pct ops.
But for really good results try the three guys fixed above plus:
2-5 becomes 2-5,11,12 (13 chances out of 36)
2-6 becomes 2-6,12 (16 chances out of 36)
2-7, 2-8, and 2-9 are the same.
Click on these:
By PB, no change to splits:
1978 AL is a DH league and if you’re a team allowing the high BA and OB of the stock 2-5 and 2-6 cards an opposing team like Boston will bat around once a night. For the 1978 NL I’d have to look more closely at that data. Non DH leagues are a little more forgiving. Naturally the best choice is a fully normalized set of pitchers in both leagues, but then I’d have to change the batting cards, too. Big season. Lotta work.
1979: The issue with 1979 is rather like 1987 it was an outlier offensively, very high runs scored. I enjoy playing 1979 teams against each other but a decent 1979 team is better than a good 1978 team because the batting cards in the stock game are held static. Still I do like the 1979 set for the Pirates and Expos and Champ Summers, who hit three balls to me that summer while I was sitting in right field.
1980: Great Set. On the cards the 1980 Yankees are just a machine. 1980 Expos are a big favorite, In SOM too.
1981: Took me YEARS to get a full set of 1981. They are brilliant. 1981 NY Yanks are a sneaky team for pitching and power as are Dodgers. Real sneaky team is Astros with a devastating staff, and Oakland.
1984: I think this set is okay.
1985: They went too far in AL with Saberhagen, Seaver, Blyleven and Jimmy Key as 2-9s. This does not match the 1985 NL pattern. Other than that this is a fantastic set with the Yankees and Toronto and Kansas City. The NL is brilliant with the Cardinals and Mets and Dodgers.
1987: by now they fixed the balance between starters and relievers and while the season is more like a steroid season it still has some great teams, including Detroit, Toronto, St Louis again.
Fred