Sunday, February 11, 2024

One Last Time with Team Interceptions, Part 4

 One Last Time with Team Interceptions, Part 4


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So, the question came up- why not generic team charts, like/ similar to batting cards?

Let’s look first at the problem batting cards were trying to solve.  Take a Sixties baseball team and the pitchers (in sum) will bat about as much as 2/3rds of a regular, and mostly not very well.  But you get exceptions.  When you try to cut a team’s total pitcher batting into the individuals you eventually get a handful of relief pitchers who banged a triple in five at bats, or a homer in ten at bats, and unless you were Earl Wilson in 1968 a personal card reflecting this this is somewhat unrealistic. 

Most pitchers stink when batting so (other than personal cards) there are two ways to solve this – you can aggregate the whole team (a method I use in Statis-Pro Baseball, which is going to have the effect of grouping a pitcher with no power like Mickey Lolich in with Earl Wilson) BUT it is just easier to manage and works for probably 25 out of 28 teams.   Or you can group the pitchers by type.  This is what Strat-O-Matic did, first with four pitcher’s batter’s cards, and then with eight during the baseball card game’s Golden Age.   

They chose five cards for pitcher with no power, and three for pitchers with power:

IF NO HR'S OR AB/HR>=68 

Bavg           Card 

.000 - .134      1 

.135 - .179      2 

.180 - .224      3 

.225 - .269      4 

.270 +             5

 

 

IF AB/HR < 68 

Bavg           Card 

.000 - .199      6 

.200 - .249      7 

.250 +             

 

One look and you can see the first five cards are probably reasonably spaced; this is probably not a bad way to model pitchers with no power. No, it won’t accommodate pitchers with a lot of walks or extra base hits past a certain point but those are rare anyway.  It is the last three cards that bother me, that range for Card 6 is from truly lousy pitcher’s hitters who catch hold of one (here’s looking at you, Bartolo Colon) to pretty good hitters who might have reasonable power, like Dave McNally or 1972 Bob Gibson.  That range is too broad for Card 6.  Now- does it matter? 

Well SOM baseball fan Flying Pickle actually put all pitcher’s batting cards in a spreadsheet about fifteen years ago, and here were the results:

 

Figure 1: Pitchers Batting Cards, 1901-2008

There aren’t that many Card 6 guys anyway, and what would they get? For a number one starter maybe 40-50 AB?  Cards 6-8 are less than seven percent of all pitchers who bat.  The question of whether there ought to be ten or twelve pitcher’s batting cards (more than eight) is mooted by the fact these players are peripheral to their team’s overall offensive experience.   Most players will want the simpler answer or the most complex, i.e.  individual cards.

And that brings us to Team Interception Returns.  I’m pleased that I finally got the last two teams from 1980 to finish my Wideboys collection; this final event was over a year in the making.  I might be poorer, but I sure have a smile on my face, because I’ve been horsing around now for a day or two with this season’s cards in my off time.  One might say I have 1980 on my mind. Two of my favorite teams are 1980 LA and 1980 Dallas, the Wild Card runts of the 1980 NFC despite good records.  1980 LA is an offense first team with one of the team’s weaker run defenses of the last decade, they finished with a pretty good turnover plus minus but with terrible kicking.  They still got 405 points even with Haden in for fifty attempts, more than ten percent.  The Cowboys led the 1980 NFL in scoring in spite of having the ninth best offense in yards. Dallas had Tony Dorsett push for 11 TDs and 1185 yards on the ground while five other runners chipped in 991 yards and another ten TDs. Dallas scored like this year’s Detroit Lions, but in one less game, and the Rams were not far behind, even though neither team made a lot of kicks. What was setting them up?

Aha!  The 1980 Season’s interception returns helped to define the 1980 season!

Figure 2: A sampling of team interception returns by team from the 1980 season:



The World Champions and two of the ten playoff teams are in the top yardage tier, teams that averaged more than thirty yards of interception returns a game.  The next tier is limited more by opportunities, as Denver would have led the league in yardage had they matched the Oakland interception total.  Still, we see another three playoff teams there, and only one team, Philadelphia in the bottom tier.  This is not uncommon.  LA and Dallas might have been 10-6 type teams had their returns not elevated them to 11-4 (with Ferragamo) for LA and 12-4 for Dallas. Their team returns were not peripheral to their success, they were the key to it. Another way to look at it is Atlanta, also 12-4, was plus sixteen in turnovers and had great special teams, a plus kicker in Mazzetti, a good punter in James, good coverages, and a top three punt return unit.  All that offset an iffy pass defense. Why shouldn’t Dallas and LA get the same boost from their secondaries?

One last point I’ll make is the seasonal record even at first blush for each team holds a lot of information.  Let’s look at 1980 Dallas- the first rung of data that you see in PFR:

Figure 3:  1980 Dallas Return Results First Pass from PFR: (Click to make bigger)


So, we have the longests.  And if a guy has two returns with a longest of 2 yds that means the other return is a zero.  If a guy has 3 returns for 56 yards with a longest of 56 yards the other 2 are zeros.  Just at first glance you have half of the returns and you can guess they might be “chunky”.

Looking up the weekly records by player for Thurman, Waters, Breunig, and Wilson finishes the record.  Thurman’s best day saw him get two for 42 yards with a longest of 35.  That means the other is seven yards.  Here’s how it fills out:

Figure 4: 1980 Dallas Final Record




And this is the Team Card from the Game:

Figure 5: 1980 Dallas Returns


I could see maybe adding in that 56 yarder in the twelve spot and cutting the +12 yard result in the seven spot to +9 but that increases the fractional TD pct by a few points, so I didn’t do that.  You can see the chunky nature of the team’s returns in the nine 30 (or so) yard chances they have out of 36.   In the final analysis once you get this close it’s not going to matter, Mike might do better with his reckoning, but it’s a pretty good chart. Taking into account returns “not returned using the rule for that” for 0 yards this chart is manifestly better at describing 1980 Dallas than the stock chart.

We’ll put one last chart up there, 1980 Seattle:

Figure 6: 1980 Seattle Seahawks Team Card (23/95 yards, 0 TDs, 4.1 yds per return)

I’ll let gamers be the judge as to whether or not a generic chart is a better fit for this team’s efforts.  In my opinion, though, team interceptions are more like running cards then baseball’s pitcher batting cards, where there can be many ways to get to the final rushing stats line. If there weren’t we could just use the extra runners from the set of extra player cards and change a few results to make a season.  And, of course, we don’t do that. We can do better than that.

 

Fred Bobberts

Initial Date of Publication: 2/10/2024

PS - I'm not going to spend one more minute of my time on this.  If you don't like the feature, turn it off.  I'm done feeding the trolls.



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